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  Issues of Jewish Identity: Making of a godol - mesorah versus gadol --- the authority of Chazon ish

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Kalonymus HaQatan

 5 hours ago

I don't know what you're talking about (2).

What was the psak?



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Kalonymus HaQatan

 16 hours ago

I can't help it if you don't see any difference between Riskin's ludicrous thesis, and the alleged examples that you gave.

1. The gedolim backed up their ruling with sound proofs from the Rishonim (and limited it to using non-Jewish donors).

2. I'm not sure, if you're referring to artificial insemination (which you're going to have to explain why you would be machmir), or if you're referring to conception in the normal manner (which I don't believe that any rabbi ever permitted).


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Kalonymus HaQatan

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He was being interviewed by a newspaper (Makor Rishon), and he candidly expressed his views. If he didn't really believe what was saying, then he should have kept his mouth shut.

https://www.srugim.co.il/20...


No qualified Torah scholar would even entertain such a ludicrous position, and surely, would never be caught saying so out loud, all the more, in an interview, where they know that every word they utter is likely to be published, especially a controversial statement like that.


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Kalonymus HaQatan

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"[Stevie] Riskin opined (!) that the Biblical prohibition on homosexual relations only applies to one who voluntarily chooses homosexuality, but that one who considers himself wired as homosexual and feels that he can only experience intimacy with another man is exempt from the prohibition."


IMHO, a person who twists the Torah, in such a manner, is not qualified to rule on ANY Torah subject.



Discussion on World Israel News  223 comments

Christian missionaries slammed for exploiting Ukrainian Jewish refugees wherever they go

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Snaps

 5 hours ago

Even after Jesus was captured there were multiple occasions where he could have avoided a death sentence. In fact, Pontius Pilate had reservations about putting Jesus to death without hard evidence of his crimes. The continued defiance of authority served to further provoke the reaction that Jesus required, leading to his inevitable crucifixion.


So basically, Jesus decided to commit SUICIDE BY COP.



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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 11 hours ago

Judaism is unique with respect to the fact, that it is not a proselytizing religion, and non-Jews are NOT required to convert in order to be close to God.


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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 14 hours ago

I don't really care how missionaries should self-destruct, as they long as they leave the Israelites alone.


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Techngro

 15 hours ago

Most of the Jews I know, find it offensive, when others suggest that they should convert to a different religion.


Some groups have a special focus, on bringing the “good news” to the Israelites. I hope that they either repent, or self-destruct.


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Snaps

 16 hours ago

Jesus allegedly was more than willing to perform miracles of healing the crippled, the blind, and even raising the dead, walking on water, turning water in to wine, and proclaiming his divinity whenever it suited the purpose of converting followers.


However, when it came to proving his alleged divinity to the authorities, and thereby affording himself the opportunity to save his own life, he neglected to do so.


SUICIDE BY COP.


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Max Tovar

 17 hours ago

The giving of the Torah preceded your man-made religion by some 1,300 years, so your question is senseless.


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Watchman for Zion

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If you disembowel Judaism of all its features, and replace it with a totally foreign ideology, that has no resemblance to the former, then that is NOT considered an extension of the Jewish faith, in any form or shape.


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Techngro

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I'm not dictating to anyone. I'm just presenting the Israelite point of view, which explains why we find Christians missionizing to us so offensive.


Jews don't try to convert other people into being Jewish, and I think that Christians should reciprocate by not trying to make Jews into Christians. There are over 3 BILLION non-Christians in the world, who they can try to mission to; yet they insist on focusing on the few million Jews.


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Snaps

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Allegedly, the ultimate reason why Jesus came to Earth was to DIE as a sacrifice. This means that those responsible for his death were actually doing Jesus a great service. Because if events had not played out exactly as they had, then according to legend, humankind could never have been redeemed.


What if Judas hadn’t betrayed Jesus? Or what if the Jewish leaders accepted Pilate’s initial refusal to put Jesus to death? What would Jesus have done then?


Would he have gone to a different city to recruit another batch of disciples, attempt to incite resentment among the community leaders, successfully get himself betrayed, hoping that his web of manipulation and coercion would finally result in a death sentence?


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Snaps

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Ultimately, the Romans killed him; NOT the Jews.


Jesus wanted, no, NEEDED, to get killed, in order that humanity be redeemed from its sins. But Jesus could not simply climb up on the sacrificial altar and slit his own throat, because such an act would be a mortal sin, serving to make Jesus into a self-murderer.


Therefore, someone else was required to do the torturing and killing for him. So just like other classic cases of SUICIDE BY COP, Jesus set into motion, a series of events that intentionally lead to his own demise, all in fulfillment of his alleged mission.


Discussion on World Israel News  130 comments

Legal watchdog files lawsuit accusing Swedish hospital of antisemitic discrimination

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UniusREI governor worldwide

 5 hours ago

After they held you under the water in the baptismal font, all you said was: glub, glub, glub...



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UniusREI governor worldwide

 5 hours ago

Learn about Gandhi.


He left his wife, to live with a male friend.


He forbade the followers in his ashram to sleep with their wives, yet required women to sleep with him, naked, which is a form of sexual abuse, using his position of power to manipulate and sexually exploit the people he directly controlled.


He was constantly surrounded by young women, who tended to all his bodily needs, including full body naked massages. He used women as props for support, and walked, draping his arms around their shoulders, when a walking cane or a couple of young men would have served just as well.



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UniusREI governor worldwide

 11 hours ago

Mahatma Gandhi was a person with very severe flaws. Among his flaws, was that he hid behind a guise of self-righteous celibacy; which was used to hide his sexual perversions.


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UniusREI governor worldwide

 11 hours ago

You're the one who was bragging about banging Jews.

No bad deed will go unpunished by God.



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UniusREI governor worldwide

 11 hours ago

I don't need to fight against a bunch of hot air.


IsraelReader

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UniusREI governor worldwide

 11 hours ago

Sources?


IsraelReader

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 11 hours ago

No bad deed will go unpunished by God.



IsraelReader

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UniusREI governor worldwide

 12 hours ago

Nowhere does it say in the Jewish Bible that Messiah will come from God Almighty impregnating a married woman.


IsraelReader

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UniusREI governor worldwide

 12 hours ago

When you were baptized, they must have held you under the water in the baptismal font, for too long.



IsraelReader

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UniusREI governor worldwide

 12 hours ago

You're too arrogant to admit, that the Israelites in Jesus' day, were smarter than you are, and were able to recognize an impostor when they saw one.


Discussion on World Israel News  130 comments

Legal watchdog files lawsuit accusing Swedish hospital of antisemitic discrimination

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UniusREI governor worldwide

 12 hours ago

All Israelites are God's children.

Deuteronomy 14:1

You are children of the Lord, your God.



IsraelReader

IsraelReader

UniusREI governor worldwide

 12 hours ago

You are schizophrenic.


IsraelReader

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UniusREI governor worldwide

 12 hours ago

Trust me, King David surely did not refer to you.


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Aristobulus

 12 hours ago

Poor Sarah Silverman. Does she deserve a poodle like this meshuggeneh?

BTW, Sarah Silverman once made a sick joke over killing Jesus:

"I'm glad the Jews killed Jesus. I'd do it again!


IsraelReader

IsraelReader

UniusREI governor worldwide

 12 hours ago

You're a LIAR.

You claimed that you were a Catholic.

You talk like a Catholic, and quack like a Catholic, so you must a Catholic.


IsraelReader

IsraelReader

UniusREI governor worldwide

 12 hours ago

The world managed fine without you, before you showed up, and will also manage fine, when you stop using up the oxygen in this world.


IsraelReader

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UniusREI governor worldwide

 12 hours ago

To speak nothing of your modesty...



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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 13 hours ago

No. You live in a deluded parallel universe.

Jews deserve better, than an idiot like yourself for a king.


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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 13 hours ago

I don't believe that any sane woman would put up with you.

But in any event, your wife is right. Get a life, and make some money, if you're able to.



IsraelReader

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UniusREI governor worldwide

 13 hours ago

Dream on, and remember that the coffee might be spiked...


Discussion on World Israel News  130 comments

Legal watchdog files lawsuit accusing Swedish hospital of antisemitic discrimination

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UniusREI governor worldwide

 13 hours ago

King David did NOT refer to Jesus as "his Lord".


That was Matthew's ghostwriter's (22:43-44) mistranslation of the first verse of Psalm 110.



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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 13 hours ago

Are you a true Catholic?

Do you bow to images of Jesus and Mary?


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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 13 hours ago

I got it. You have nothing Biblical to show about Rahab's genealogy. [Note, Matthew 1:5 is not in the Hebrew Bible].


Judaism was always inclusive of converts, who sincerely converted to Judaism. But you didn't convert, so you're not my brother.



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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 13 hours ago

1 million nonsensical spam comments; that have no intrinsic value, other than earning you the scorn of people reading your garbage.

If you could have made some $$$, you would be much better off.


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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 13 hours ago

Being stupid is not something you need to be ashamed about. That's just the way that God made you.

But posting your name and address online, is pretty foolhardy.


IsraelReader

IsraelReader

UniusREI governor worldwide

 13 hours ago

I'm not joking either...


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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 13 hours ago

OMG. You are delusional.


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UniusREI governor worldwide

 13 hours ago

Ruth converted to Judaism, and was a Jew by Choice.

Rahab also converted before marriage.


Just curious, why do you think that Rahab is part of King David's genealogy? Source?


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UniusREI governor worldwide

 13 hours ago

Remember, that the Mossad always gets their man...

Anyone trying to harm Israel, should not sleep too soundly at night; knowing that Israel's long arm can reach them wherever they may be living or staying.


IsraelReader

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UniusREI governor worldwide

 13 hours ago

According to the Hebrew Bible, the Messiah will be a patrilineal descendant of King David, something that Jesus could never be; since according to the legend of the virgin birth, he did not have a biological father.


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Discussion on World Israel News  130 comments

Legal watchdog files lawsuit accusing Swedish hospital of antisemitic discrimination

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IsraelReader

UniusREI governor worldwide

 13 hours ago

I guess that the truth hurts...

Another GOY that wants to emulate the Adolf.


IsraelReader

IsraelReader

UniusREI governor worldwide

 13 hours ago

You can't point to a single Biblical source, that proves that someone born to a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother, is considered Jewish, because to my knowledge, such a verse doesn't exist! [If you think that it does, please cite chapter and verse].



IsraelReader

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UniusREI governor worldwide

 14 hours ago

I happen to be a descendant of King David, so watch out who you mess with.


IsraelReader

IsraelReader

UniusREI governor worldwide

 14 hours ago

You're starting to lose it, and are showing your true colors.

Are you related to N.T. Semite?


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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 14 hours ago

You're confusing "lineage" with "Jewishness".

Jewish "lineage" is patrilinear.

"Jewishness" is matrilinear.

If your mother wasn't Jewish, then you're a GOY.


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Aristobulus

 14 hours ago

I didn't think about that option, but I don't want to go there.

I believe in "live and let live" (unless someone doesn't want to allow us to live, then we have to deal with that appropriately).


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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 14 hours ago

Don't worry. I know about you, and where you live.

It's pretty stupid to put your details online.


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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 14 hours ago

Speak in English.

You're not my Messiah,


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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 14 hours ago

Certifiably "meshuggeh".

14 years of about 200 // 300 posts every day,

What a waste of a human life.


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Aristobulus

 14 hours ago

There's no cure for crazy.


Discussion on NtJP.news  1101 comments

Shavua Tov, The Open Forum 03.21.22

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Proud Conservative Mom

 14 hours ago

Promoting a sinful lifestyle, in an attempt to influence others, is considered "incitement to sin", and is a sin unto itself.


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diaspora

 15 hours ago

Intrinsically, they don't mind twinning with a group of radical Islamic terrorists.

They only mind the legal headache, that this action is likely to cause them.


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Proud Conservative Mom

 15 hours ago

This fake "rabbi" headed RECONSTRUCTIONIST "Congregation Bet Haverim", for 22 years.

After you read this, you'll feel like revisiting the last meal that you ate. UGH.

Who We Are

https://www.congregationbet...

"We serve and support the lesbian, gay, and transgender communities and promote the Reconstructionist concept of Judaism as an evolving religious civilization.

"Inspired by the chutzpah of our founders, CBH’s mission is to promote a bold and expansive Jewish identity and culture emphasizing inclusivity, creativity, spirituality and social justice as we uphold our commitment to serve the LGBTQ and allied community."

CBH Staff

https://www.congregationbet...

Rabbi Joshua Lesser, Rabbi Emeritus

...He also founded the Southern Jewish Resource Network for Gender and Sexual Diversity, cofounded the Faith Alliance of Metro Atlanta, serving as its first Jewish president, and chaired the City of Atlanta’s Human Relations Commission. He sits on the Mayor of Atlanta’s Task Force for LGBT Concerns and was recently awarded the Phoenix Award, Atlanta’s top honor given to its citizens, for his unwavering service to the city. He was the editor of the groundbreaking LGBTQ Torah commentary, Torah Queeries, and was recognized as one of The 36 Most Inspiring Rabbis by the Forward and one of The 100 Most Influential LGBTQ Clergy by the Huffington Post.


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Proud Conservative Mom

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IMHO, the phrase הקהה את שיניו does NOT mean to knock out his teeth.

It means to BLUNT his teeth, that is, to give him a resounding rejoinder, which will blunt his negative braying against Torah Judaism.


Discussion on World Israel News  130 comments

Legal watchdog files lawsuit accusing Swedish hospital of antisemitic discrimination

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Scorpio

 16 hours ago

In today's world, LAWFARE has taken the place of WARFARE.

Sue their pants off.

The language of the pocket book, is the only language that they understand.


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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 16 hours ago

Is you mother Jewish?


Discussion on World Israel News  223 comments

Christian missionaries slammed for exploiting Ukrainian Jewish refugees wherever they go

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Craig Learner

 2 

While Messianic Lubavitchers squirm and twist to differentiate between their faith, and the Christian one, I personally don't see any double standard by NON-Lubavitchers. They reject both of them. They reject Jesus faith, and also reject Shneerson faith; and make absolutely no excuses for either of them.


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Snaps

 2 

According to your belief, if Jesus hadn't been killed, then he wouldn't have died for your sins, and there would be no vicarious atonement.

Are you thanking us? You're welcome.


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Max Tovar

 2 

So called Messianic Jews, if they were born Jewish, are Jews by birth. By rejecting the Jewish religion, and embracing their mistaken beliefs, they have joined the Christian religion. So they remain biological Jews, but are deserters from their religion.


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Watchman for Zion

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According to Judaism, God is the Savior of all mankind, and all of humanity can be "saved", by following His commands.


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Watchman for Zion

 2 

The Israelites never accepted the Greek additions to the Hebrew Bible, as being the word of God, and billions of people believe that one can be saved without knowing Jesus.


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Techngro

 2 

Israelites don't proselytize for Judaism, and Christians should leave the Israelites alone, and not try to convert them.


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Craig Learner

 2 

Your biological DNA doesn't change if you follow Jesus, but spiritually, you're not a Jew anymore. You've become a Christian.


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Ian

 2 

If one knows the Hebrew Bible well; then they can see that Jesus isn't found there at all. Jesus is only found in the Hebrew Bible, IF you first put on special "Jesus Goggles", which magically has Jesus jumping out at you from all over. Otherwise, there's really nothing there that supports any alleged allusions to Jesus.


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Elijah Rose

 2 

Legal or not, most of the Israelites I know, find it offensive, when others suggest that they should convert, to a different religion.

Israelites don't proselytize for Judaism, and Christians should leave the Israelites alone, and not try to convert them.



Discussion on World Israel News  32 comments

Iranian military chief threatens missile attack on Israel

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Shirah

 3 

What's not Jewish about (kosher) salami, or the hope that your enemies who are trying to kill you will get killed themselves?


Discussion on NtJP.news   1112 comments

Shavua Tov, The Open Forum 03.21.22

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Proud Conservative Mom

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Q. Why do they drill holes in terrorist’s coffins?

A. So that the maggots can crawl out to vomit!


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diaspora

 7 

Why do they bury terrorists six feet under?

Because deep down, they're real good!


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IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 7 

One of the fundamental beliefs of Judaism; is that life does not begin with birth, nor does it end with death.

Judaism believes in afterlife, where people will be rewarded for their good deeds, and will be punished for their bad deeds.


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diaspora

 7 

The Leftists/terrorists will claim that this was just an innocent Arab, looking for some watermelon to cut up with his knife...


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Weary Traveler

 7 

Did you ever hear of a woman having an Adam's apple?


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IsraelReader

 7 

Is this the same guy again?

Ben Shapiro & Leftist Clash Over Transgenderism



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Proud Conservative Mom

 7 

A man is a man, and a woman is woman.

It's so ridiculous that we need to explain this nowadays.

Ben Shapiro Explains Basic Biology to a College Student



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Proud Conservative Mom

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diaspora

 8 

Benjamin Netanyahu is like the canary in the coal mine.

Ignore his words at you own peril.


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Proud Conservative Mom

 9 

Religious Jews believe that Judaism is based on a God given Torah, not one that was written by a person or committee many years ago. As such, monkeying around with God's commandments is considered a very serious sin, and there is no room in Judaism for revision or re-prioritization of the Torah's laws.


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Discussion on NtJP.news   1112 comments

Shavua Tov, The Open Forum 03.21.22

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Proud Conservative Mom

 9 

They are well trained con-artists, who prey almost exclusively upon uneducated, unaffiliated and alienated Jews.


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Discussion on World Israel News  524 comments

Aggressive missionary group targets Ukrainian refugees in Israel, already baptizing 15

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CarbonCanolli

 11 

I'm not sure that you will be satisfied with my answers.

Are you not willing to accept Midrashic explanations?

For more correspondence, you can also email me.



Discussion on NtJP.news   1059 comments

Shavua Tov, The Open Forum 03.17.22

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Sapper 9

 13 

They were cut with the same cookie cutter...


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Tony

 13 

Benny Freidman sings heartbreaking song for Ukraine.



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Proud Conservative Mom

 13 

1. You left out Rabbi Avraham Mordechai Alter of Gur (right uppermost picture).

2. Who is under the Klausenburger Rebbe (Viznitz or Bobov Rebbe?)

3. I believe that Rabbi Avraham Pam in not pictured here.

4. I think that middle column, third down, is Rabbi Yaakov Yitzchok Ruderman, who founded and served as the Rosh Yeshiva of Yeshivas Ner Yisroel in Baltimore.


Of the 11 rabbis depicted here, I was privileged to see/meet at least 8 of them.


It should be noted, that we do NOT worship these rabbis, nor do we idolize them. Hanging their pictures in our homes, is merely intended to serve as a reminder of the righteous lives they lived, and to serve as an inspiration to us, to try to emulate their ways in the service of God.


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Discussion on United with Israel  101 comments

Terrorists Paid More than Doctors by Palestinian Authority

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Suqsid

 13 

Indeed. A fetus is a child who's in the stage of development. At just 8 weeks, when the child is no larger than a bean, every single organ and detail present in an adult human being is present in this tiny fetus. When the child is fully ready to face the world at large, he's born.


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Solving Politics

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Society has a moral obligation to protect the helpless, and those who can't defend themselves.


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Solving Politics

 13 

The Reagan administration took the position that Roe vs. Wade should be overruled, and it has only survived for decades because of luck. That might hopefully be changing in the future!



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Solving Politics

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I once approached an organization which tries to convince women not to undergo abortions, and asked them, on behalf of a childless couple, if they knew of any woman who wasn’t willing to abort her child, but also didn’t want to raise it; thinking that this might be a source of getting a baby for adoption.


The folks at the organization told me, that they didn’t have any. They explained; that in their experience, they rarely have any babies who need to be adopted. Once the woman follows through with the pregnancy, they almost invariably want to keep the child, and raise it themselves!


On many levels, this was a powerful message to me, how God created maternal instincts in a mother, and apparently, it’s only because of external liberal influences, that a woman can be persuaded to kill her own child, that’s growing inside herself. If these negative influences can be countered with positive influences, then more women will be empowered to make the correct life decisions, and be able to live with the decision too.


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Solving Politics

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I would focus more on the Democrats and their support for Planned UNparenthood; which is responsible for tens of millions of babies being violently chopped up in abortion clinics.


Did you know, that for decades, in NYC (home of Planned UNparenthood), more black babies have been aborted than born alive?


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Aristobulus

 13 

It should be about them.

Once they allow a baby to start growing inside them, they become responsible for the outcome.


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Aristobulus

 13 

Killing babies isn't HEALTH care.

It's DEATH care, making sure that they end up DEAD.


Women have the right to choose to not become pregnant. It’s called contraception. Once YOU create a life, it ceases to be about ‘women’s rights’. It’s about the right for that human to be born.


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Solving Politics

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The fact that there isn't enough adoptions to go around, is due, in part, because in most cases, when a woman finally has her baby, after nine months of nurturing it inside her, and she holds the sweet baby in her hands, she bonds with it, and wouldn't even dream of ever giving it away.


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Aristobulus

 13 

You are correct. The true role assigned to judges in the US system, is to interpret the Constitution and lesser laws; not to make new laws. However judicial activists have abused the power of the bench to create legal precedents, and legislate from the bench.


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Aristobulus

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In the Church of Liberalism, the holy writ is Roe v. Wade, and abortion is one of its sacraments.


Discussion on Daas Torah  13 comments

Issues of Jewish Identity: Ramban and Rambam disagree whether stars are conscious beings?

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Garnel Ironheart

 13 

Source?


Discussion on NtJP.news   1035 comments

Shavua Tov, The Open Forum 03.15.22

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Shira♥️

 13 

Today is Purim, a very joyful day in Judaism.

Perhaps you can join a Jewish family for a festive Purim meal.

It would be very therapeutic for you to be able to go out, and join other people for a holiday celebration.


 

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Shira♥️

 14 

Hang in there. You're not a loser!

You have a lot to offer the world, and you just need to figure out how to properly channel it.


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Proud Conservative Mom

 14 

In the spirit of Purim, maybe the streets of Jerusalem will be paved with Bamba?


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Proud Conservative Mom

 14 

Unfortunately, this creature is Jewish, and grew up attending Hebrew school.


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Sapper 9

 14 

What is the THING in that picture?


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diaspora

 14 

At 0:08

"Experts believe that the quake was an aftershock from the massive tremor that hit the region TEN years ago".


"Experts"? Gimme a break...


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Proud Conservative Mom

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Adorable!


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Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

This is not intended to be mere sarcasm.

I mean it as a talking point, to the person you are engaging with.


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Proud Conservative Mom

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I just "love" it, when secular Jews, who know nothing about the religion they were born into, embrace and advocate for a foreign religion. Hello, you never explored your OWN religion. So why are you so sure, that the OTHER religion is more “legitimate”?


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Proud Conservative Mom

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No institution is immune from having students who are rotten apples. However a good test for measuring the quality of an institution; is to examine who are the heads of the said institution, and how the majority of its students turn out.


YCT has been shown to be way beyond Torah true Judaism.


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Discussion on United with Israel  55 comments

Iranian Letters Reveal True Owners of Tomb of Mordechai and Esther

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Denis

 14 

God is the source of all salvation, and He doesn't need to have any human sacrifice to die for our salvation.


Discussion on United with Israel  101 comments

Terrorists Paid More than Doctors by Palestinian Authority

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CrossHugger

 14 

Abortionists should be called murderers.

Abortion is literally child murder.


Discussion on NtJP.news   1035 comments

Shavua Tov, The Open Forum 03.15.22

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Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

If she follows the Bible, then she should look at the following verses, where the Hebrew Bible is explicit in its prohibition against intermarrying with gentiles.


Deuteronomy 7:3-4

“You shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughter to his son, and you shall not take his daughter for your son. For he will turn away your son from following Me, and they will worship the gods of others, and the wrath of the Lord will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you.”


Nehemiah 10:31

And that we shall not give our daughters to the peoples of the land, and we shall not take their daughters for our sons.


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Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

Yeshivat Chovevei Torah and the ordination of gay men — very mixed messages

https://blogs.timesofisrael...


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

Unfortunately, most of these "open-minded" people are so open-minded, that their God given brains have fallen out. These people are knee-jerk rejectionists; rejecting time tested traditions, and opting instead, for delusional world views.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

I'm not surprised by what you wrote.

Yeshivat Chovevei Torah Rabbinical School (YCT) is a "Open Orthodox" yeshiva, founded in 1999 by "Rabbi" Avi Weiss.

It is currently located in the Riverdale section of the Bronx, NY.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

Ben Greenfield is an alumnus (class of 2017) of the so-called "Yeshiva" Chovevei Torah (YCT).

Sadly, in numerous examples, both the leaders and students of YCT, have been shown to be beyond the pale of what we consider to be Torah true Judaism. These failed rotten teachers, are producing a similar type of rotten fruits, and are leading their students down the path to Hell..


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

Unfortunately, these people are also blurring of the distinction between legitimate Yehudim, and those who are not.

That is NOT helping the Israelite Nation.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

For those uninformed, can you please give a brief background of the meaning of this type of placard?


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Weary Traveler

 15 

Just an interesting note, China does NOT have Daylight Savings Time at all, and its daily clock remains unchanged throughout the year.

In fact, most of Asia doesn't even observe it at all, with Japan and India being notable fellow DST protesters.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

Sadly, these are Cultural Jews; without belief in God and His Torah.

They're like a body without a soul; devoid of the most essential artery of life.

Instead of perpetuating themselves, like the religious Jews are, these people are self-destructing; which is why they need to rely on non-Jewish members to boost their membership.


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Discussion on NtJP.news   1031 comments

Shavua Tov, The Open Forum 03.11.22

IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

Time will tell.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

You can't deny the fact that he stood up to Russian tyranny.

He's either a fool, or a hero.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

Tzaddik???

He's merely a puppet in God's hands, to act out whatever He has in store for Ukraine.

Otherwise, Zelensky is AWOL from Judaism, with his non-Jewish consort.

As far as Judaism is concerned, he's a dead end. His Israelite lineage ends with him.

He could have had a great life with a Jewish woman, but instead, he chose to be a deserter.

What a shame.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

Zelensky is being lionized, because he had the guts (or idiocy) to stand up to Putin, and take on the Russian Bear.

Time will tell how his gamble played out.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

Note the reference (under Hitler's name) to the infamous British White Paper policy.

ווייס-בוך = White Book

א"י = Eretz Yisrael

פאליטיק = Politics


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

I don't feel sorry for him.

He did crude things, for attention and money.

Now it's coming back to bite him.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

I have read that the Germans arrested and deported 476 Jews to Theresienstadt, where 52 of them died.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 15 

Socialism only works in two places:

Heaven, where they don't need it, and hell, where they already have it.

― Ronald Reagan


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

John Gillis

 15 

Society has a moral obligation to protect the helpless, and those who can't defend themselves.

Shame on Maryland!


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

HebrewProphet

 15 

Why does my presence evoke such negative emotions from you?


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Discussion on NtJP.news   1031 comments

Shavua Tov, The Open Forum 03.11.22

IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Chief Mac

 16 

I'm also subscribed to his daily comic, and I generally appreciate his message.

However he's getting old (he just turned 84), and IMHO he really dropped the ball on this one.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

HebrewProphet

 16 

The Jewish community of Stanford Hill is in the NORTH of London (N.15-16), and is part of the London Borough of Hackney.

This has NOTHING to do with the Chelsea Football Club, which is in WEST London.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Chief Mac

 16 

I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to Mr. Dry Bones, who made a big mistake here.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

diaspora

 16 

Applied Lead Poisoning always does the trick; very effectively.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Chief Mac

 16 

I don't intend to condone Putin's war on Ukraine. However if you look at Putin's record on supporting Jewish communal life in Russia, and his close friendship with the chief rabbi, Rabbi Berel Lazar, it would be unfair (and unwise) to label him as a vile enemy of our people.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Shira♥️

 16 

Hang in there. You're not a deadbeat!

You have a lot to offer the world, and you just need to figure out how to properly channel it.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 16 

This so-called "rabbi" should give back his ordination, because he's not teaching Torah.

You're not allowed to twist Torah, and use it to preach Socialism. That is an obscene.

I spelled out why the comparison to the Levites doesn't hold water, and the so-called "rabbi", has yet to refute the fact that the Torah is replete with allusions to property rights. You can also challenge him, that there is NOTHING compatible with Torah, in society forcefully taking from one person, and freely giving it to others.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 16 

The Torah recognizes private property rights, and does not endorse collectivism and socialism.


There is NOTHING compatible with Torah, in society forcefully taking from one person, and freely giving it to others.


The argument that supporting of the Levites is equal to socialism; is fallacious, since the support of Levites was voluntary, in that the Israelites could choose which Levites they wanted to support with their tithes, while under socialism, the rich have no say where their money will go to. Also, tithing to the Levites was CAPPED at 10%, whereas under secular laws we could only wish to be taxed at a 10% tax rate


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 16 

I've seen a worse video of him, and the anti-Semites are having field day, trying to portray him, as being gay.

He's married to a woman, and they had two kids together, so I don't think that what he did in the video means that he's gay.

He's an actor and a comedian, and was doing these things to try to be funny.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 16 

Socialism allows envious people to steal, what others have earned.


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Discussion on World Israel News  524 comments

Aggressive missionary group targets Ukrainian refugees in Israel, already baptizing 15

IsraelReader

IsraelReader

CarbonCanolli

 16 

The potential issue of inheritance; should not be an impediment to polygamy. This can be easily dealt with a prenuptial agreement, the same way it’s dealt with in monogamous marriage.


IsraelReader

IsraelReader

CarbonCanolli

 16 

Orthodox Judaism strongly OPPOSES abortion, some, considering it a form of MURDER after 40 days of pregnancy, and allowing abortion only when the pregnancy endangers the mother's life, or if it will cause the mother severe physical or psychological harm.


Therefore, the traditional Jewish view of abortion does not fit conveniently into any of the major "camps" in the current American abortion debate. Judaism neither bans abortion completely, nor does it allow indiscriminate abortion "on demand".


IsraelReader

IsraelReader

CarbonCanolli

 17 

Polygamy has several positive aspects, which I think that God would approve of.


One positive aspect is that it makes it easier for women to be able to find a mate. Imagine an ugly woman, who through no fault of her own, is rejected by most men, since they’re all looking for “pretty” women. Under the current state of affairs, in countries that are opposed to polygamy, this woman is likely to die a spinster. However in places that polygamy is allowed, she has a chance that some kind man will agree to take her as a second wife. He will then provide her with financial security, and some level of companionship; both of which she might never have otherwise. This man will also procreate with her, and make her into a mother of children; which will add much meaning to her life.


Another positive aspect of polygamy is; that in times of war, with high male absenteeism and mortality, polygamy supports population growth and replenishment. In a society where most men are already married, war widows would find it very difficult to rebuild their lives. If they at least had an option of becoming a second wife, to a man who already had another wife, their odds of finding a new mate would be greatly increased.


IsraelReader

IsraelReader

CarbonCanolli

 17 

Unfortunately, many American Jews are JINOs, (Jews In Name Only), have been infected by the mental disease known as LIBERALISM.


This disease is prevalent among all walks of mankind, and no race or color is immune to it.


I note, that voting maps show that religious Jews generally vote for conservative values.


IsraelReader

IsraelReader

CarbonCanolli

 17 

I'm glad that you're open minded enough to acknowledge that you were unaware of the truth regarding Bible readings in the synagogue, before you made your comment.


This should illustrate, that not everything said in the name of religion is necessarily true, especially from missionaries, who are agenda driven.


Have you ever been to a synagogue, and heard the Haftarah read? Do you have any clue about the schedule of Haftarah readings?


IsraelReader

IsraelReader

David

 20 

Genesis 21:1-2 does not mention anyone "returning".


IsraelReader

IsraelReader

CarbonCanolli

 20 

Most of the Hebrew Bible is not read aloud in the synagogue, and Isaiah 53 is singularly unremarkable in that respect.


IsraelReader

IsraelReader

David

 21 

Where does the verse spell out, that anyone ever returned to Sarah?


IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Aristobulus

 21 

He's not unique in the this respect.

In the Book of John, Jesus allegedly declared himself to be god, where he and god are allegedly the same persona.


IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Aristobulus

 21 

@CarbonCanolli claimed that Jesus was God.


Discussion on World Israel News  61 comments

Iran threat: Israel 'preparing for the day after'

IsraelReader

IsraelReader

DALIYA ROBSON

 20 

You're confusing Jesus, a human, with God.

Do you have a Biblical source that "all of us are 'sons of God'"?



Discussion on NtJP.news   1174 comments

Shavua Tov, The Open Forum 03.08.22

IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 20 

The term "Loiners", has been used to refer to natives of Leeds.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Tony

 20 

In my mind, you both are "Loiners", but my mind may be playing tricks on me.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Shira♥️

 20 

Go for it. She is a gem. (We have met in real life).


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Shira♥️

 20 

The advice isn't mine. It's from King Solomon.

I believe that PCM would be willing to engage in learning over the phone with you.

Are you up to the challenge?


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 20 

If Vinny had more brand recognition, then maybe we could get a business going...


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 20 

That's was his personal choice to leave in a huff.

Never apologize for defending your values, morals, ethics, religious or spiritual beliefs.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 20 

You are right. I may confused them in my mind, because I believe that they both are originally from the same city in the UK.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Tony

 20 

Welcome back to the website!

How was your "holiday"?


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

bill smith

 20 

moral or morale? or both?


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 20 

On the simple level, "Yom Kippur is KiPurim", means that Yom Kippur is equal to Purim.

That puts them on equal footing; each in their own way.


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Discussion on NtJP.news   1174 comments

Shavua Tov, The Open Forum 03.08.22

IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 20 

I would correct that: It's one of the holiest...


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 20 

We recognize your efforts.

Kudos to you!

More power to you!


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 20 

We're blessed to have the Torah, and we should share the blessing, by exposing others to Torah ideas, especially those who were deprived of a Jewish education.


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 20 

Salaries were also much lower in those years...


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IsraelReader

IsraelReader

Proud Conservative Mom

 20 

We would ALL be wise to tap into the wisdom embedded in the words of our Sages.

The "trick" is to know where the information is buried.


This can be accomplished by much Torah study.

The Mishna (Avos 2:7) alludes to this:

מַרְבֶּה יְשִׁיבָה – מַרְבֶּה חָכְמָה

A lot of sitting in Yeshiva - leads to a lot of wisdom.



IDF colonel: ‘Without computing, software and data, accurate combat isn’t possible’

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Bro. Nick Nicholas

 a day ago

ey.. mormonic .. same nonsense all the time .. can you comment on the news articles ? ..


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Discussion on World Israel News  72 comments

Terror attack in Tel Aviv suburb - 5 dead

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stevealevine

 a day ago

he is not mentally ill.. he has his own opinions


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punch_corona

punch_corona

 a day ago

Exactly what are these terrorist doing in Israel ?


This is a prelude of the carnage that will happen if the insane 2 state solution is pushed upon Israel.. it will become full of battle hardened Syrian refugees, Lebanese, Jordan, Gaza .. Israel will become another Yemeni type battlefield.. that’s the end of Israel with their stupid politicians..


Observe that in a war, refugees are treated like pariah’s in all countries.. nobody wants them & they are suddenly ugly & a nuisance..


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Discussion on World Israel News  36 comments

WATCH: Palestinians celebrate deadly terror attack in Israel

punch_corona

punch_corona

 a day ago

.. know thy neighbor.. a sick society..


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Discussion on World Israel News  20 comments

Russian opposition journalist targeted with ‘Jewish pig’ slur for critical coverage of Ukraine war

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punch_corona

Bro. Nick Nicholas

 2 

ey mormonic enough with your foolish nonsense..


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Discussion on World Israel News  37 comments

WATCH: Russian Jewish oligarch Roman Abramovich poisoned in Kyiv

punch_corona

punch_corona

 2 

Abramovich was seen in the news recently arriving at an airport in Russia.


.. must have been zelenski who has been blocking peace in ukraine .. the queer dude is full of tricks..


This must be a reuters news feed .. " It’s not clear who was responsible, but Russian hard-liners are suspected. " .. really reuters ..?


ukraine is the most corrupt country in europe.. the azov nazi brigade was created by kolimoiski, a

... ((( jewish war lord & a criminal ))) who lives in trl aviv..


.. kolimoiski employed a queer named zelenski.. the azov nazi brigade was funded & trained by soros ((( a jew & a criminal ))) & the US state dept ..


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Discussion on World Israel News  4 comments

Gantz wants to join Abdullah-Abbas meeting in Jordan, Bennett opposed

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punch_corona

 3 

gantz & lpaid making deals with the arabs behind closed doors.. this would never happen under Netanyahu..


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Discussion on World Israel News  18 comments

'Adopting the Palestinian narrative': MKs fume over Bennett's wording in talks with Blinken

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Uzi Kattan

 3 

there is deep hatred against Russia by khazar jews like blinken, zelenski, soros, kolimoiski, schwab & others.. what is remarkable is the use of any nazi hate groups like the galician aryan nazis to achieve the destruction they want even if if means ignoring the nazi dilemma .. soros is a khazar nazi ..


it is historical ..


http://www.khazaria.Com/khazar-diaspora.html


The nazi legacy is deep in ukraine, poland, germany.. Hashem does not like the nazis..


https://sonar21.Com/what-our-fathers-did-a-nazi-legacy-in-ukraine/


https://sonar21.Com/george-soros-and-hillary-clinton-are-cheering-to-go-to-war-with-russia/


https://sonar21.Com/yes-the-azov-battalion-is-a-nazi-sympathizer/


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Discussion on World Israel News  3 comments

Terror in northern Israel; 2 victims dead, 6 wounded

punch_corona

punch_corona

 3 

. this is a pre view of your 2 state solution being pushed around.. a separate pal state with 4 million refugees from syria, lebanon , jordan all armed with heavy machine guns ..


a 2 state is the end of Israel..


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Discussion on World Israel News  102 comments

Republican lawmakers 'uneasy' with Israel's 'neutral' stance on Russia-Ukraine war

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antifascist18

 3 

Dear Bonehead


do you realize you are a fascist ... you are not an antifascist.. as for nazis.. look no further than the countries mentioned.. the nazis are outlawed in Russia & there is an arrest warrant in Russia & China for soros [ nazi ]..


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Grace Joy

 3 

ukraine has been turned into a satanic country controlled by the galician azov nazis .. that dance of the nazi clown with other gayish men has heavy tints of a satanic dance ritual


the galician nazis are a deep historical icon in the ukraine.. & now they are fleeing to poland.. poland will soon have these nazi tramps walking all over the country..


from Larry Johnson , ex CIA regarding the nazis in the ukraine.. btw.. kolimoisky is a jewish warlord from the ukraine that along with soros set up the azov batallion - nazi - in ukraine in 2014.. kolimoiski also hired zelensky for the TV shows & groomed him for president in ukraine.. kolimoiski is a jewish citizen who lives in tel aviv .. Israel harbors this nazi - kolomoiski in Israel & news media have kept silent about this nazi living in tel aviv..


https://sonar21.Com/what-our-fathers-did-a-nazi-legacy-in-ukraine/


https://sonar21.Com/yes-the-azov-battalion-is-a-nazi-sympathizer/


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punch_corona

antifascist18

 3 

Dear bonehead


neither the russians nor the chechens have nazi in their country.. the nazis can be found in ukraine, poland, germany, uk, & the US among other countries.. ukraine is full of galician nazi [ azov ]..


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punch_corona

punch_corona

 4 

ukraine is a satanic nazi country.. ukraine killed thousands of Jews during WW2... Israel can't defend satanics or nazis.. & ukraine is mostly de militarized already.. Hashem don't like the nazis..


https://sonar21.Com/de-militarization-of-ukraine/


Austria does not want any zelenski speeches ..


... " .. The Austrian Parliament refused the President of Ukraine to appeal to the deputies.

The parliament said that Austria is a neutral country, and Zelensky's speeches are one-sided and reflect only one point of view . "


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Discussion on World Israel News  99 comments

Biden slams Putin as a 'butcher' who 'cannot remain in power'

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Aristobulus

 4 

mormonbolus .. you are a silly fool.. the french have a description for your type of personality : clochard


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Discussion on World Israel News  20 comments

Biden foundation to protect children spends huge chunk on 6-figure salaries – report

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Uzi Kattan

 4 

these charities are all a scam..


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Discussion on World Israel News  99 comments

Biden slams Putin as a 'butcher' who 'cannot remain in power'

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Aristobulus

 4 

ey.. mormonbolus.. enough with your nonsense..


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Mrs Jane Godfrey

 4 

ukraine azov unit is satanic .. many bad things are being uncovered in ukraine .. many surprises .. Hashem don't like nazis.. Hashem destroyed the nazis in germany, poland, ukraine in ww2.. Hashem is doing the same now.. those countries helping the satanic nazis will be in the Hashem "unfriendly list "of countries..


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Aristobulus

 4 

are you still using your other WIN account " brother " to post nonsense..


"brother "is a mormon.. 7th day church.. that would make you a mormon..

mormonbolus .. keep up with posting nonsense on this web site..


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punch_corona

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jewish Messia & Yitzhak Kaduri

 4 

thank you.. that would mean bolus & bro are mormons.. 7th day church of the adventist.. from now on I will call him mormonbolus , no longer a Jew..


Hashem does not like the nazis.. Hashem will destroy all countries that associate with the nazis.. the nazis are satanic.. germany, poland, ukraine lost their fight with Russia in ww2 because they were nazi .. they were satanic..


America won the war because they fought against the nazis.. but this time America has armed the nazis & are on the side of the nazi.. Hashem don't like nazi .. Hashem will destroy all countries that ally themselves with the nazi..


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Grace Joy

 4 

Hal Turner's comments on the butcher script .. personal insults against an opponent is the last joker card.. debate / diplomacy ended..


https://halturnerradioshow.Com/index.php/en/news-page/world/holy-sh-t-biden-publicly-calls-putin-a-butcher-later-speech-says-for-god-s-sake-this-man-cannot-remain-in-power

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